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Atharī Corleone’s Most Wanted: The “Allah doesn’t exist in a Place.” and the “Allah doesn’t exist in the 6 Directions” Arguments which Ash`arīs use to accuse Fellow-Muslims of committing ash-Shirk (Association)

Allah states:

“And never let your Hatred, against any People, prevent you from behaving justly.”

(Noble-Qur’ān: Chpt.5, V.8)

al-Muqaddimah/Prelude

This-Risālah/Articles Several-Debates I’ve had with Ash`arīs, including my Sibling of the Pen: the Ash`arī-Academic Tālib Nathaniel. Specifically, Gareth Bryant (an Atharī-Academic themselves) has went Back&Forth with Tālib Nathaniel, concerning the Theological-Dereliction of Salafī-Interpretation of Atharism. Ironically, I very much largely agree with my Sibling of the Pen: the Fact that Salafīs are Renegade/Prodigal-Atharīs. However, unlike some amongst Tālib Nathaniel’s Ash`arī-Compatriots: I refuse to impose Unjust-Takfīr/Blasphemy against Salafīs. This-Risālah detailing the Back&Forth which I’ve had with my Sibling of the Pen as well as Others: it’s important because of the Implications/Consequences for which it yields.

Why the “Necessity” to “Debunk” any “Ash`arī Talking-Point”?!!!

GoodQuestion…

…Answer:

Very often…in fact far too often actually-There’s Certain-Persons via Team-Ash`arī, and/or Pseudo-Ash`arīs (or as Lavotte Saunders [the Golden-Boy of Team-Atharī] has told me as per our Prior-Convos are Ash`arī-Pretenders), whom live to theologically attack Fellow-Muslims simply because they’re Non-Ash`arīs. This, of course, in spite of the Fact that the Progenitor/Founder of al-Ash`ariyyah/Ash`arism literally warned against doing so on their own Deathbed via Baghdād. `Alī ibn-Ismā`īl ibn-Ishāq (AKA Abul-Hasan al-Ash`arī), Progentior/Founder of the Ash`arī-`Aqīdah/Theology-School…on their own Deathbed they literally made at-Tawbah/Repentance against their own Former-Madhāhib/Stances surrounding imposing Unjust-Takfīr/Blasphemy against Muslim Non-Ash`arīs. Also, I’ll be directly attacking the Erroneous-Claim concerning “6-Directions” which Ash`arīs use to attempt claiming that Non-Ash`arīs in turn claim that Allah exists via “6-Directions”. I’ll also be digging-deep into the Tawbah/Repentance of `Alī ibn-Ismā`īl (AKA Abul-Hasan al-Ash`arī: the Progenitor/Founder of Ash`arism).

The Ugly-History of the “`Aqīdah/Creed-Wars”

The “6-Directions” Argument

1 Particular/Recurring-Convo which Gareth Bryant and Tālib Nathaniel have engaged jointly is surrounding the Religio-Theological Work authored via at-Tahāwī. The Work of at-Tahāwī are seen as a Religio-Theological Academic Jisr/Bridge between al-Athariyyah (Atharism) and al-Ash`ariyyah (Ash`arism). at-Tahāwī had personally directly mentioned the “6-Directions” Argument.

Tālib Nathaniel had invited me to a hypothetical (potentially actual) “Tahāwī-Meeting”…

…Let’s see how I responded:

Easy-Way to debunk this:

Number-1

No Muslim claims that Allah is “restricted”, “constricted”, “contained”, “bounded”, “limited”, etc. via any:

Direction

Location

Position

Station

Space

Place

etc.

Number-2

There’s literally more than “6-Directions”…

…Compasses exists for a Reason:

North

Northeast

Northwest

South

Southeast

Southwest

East

West

Above

Below

The Tawbah of Abil-Hasan al-Ash`arī

“Take witness, that verily I no longer make Takfīr/Blasphemy against any amongst the People-Of-Qiblah/Direction. All of them worship the Same-God, but they only differ regarding Theological-Interpretations.”

(adh-Dhahabī&al-Bayhaqī)

How/why is the Deathbed-Tawbah of Abil-Hasan al-Ash`arī so important?!!!

Good-Question…

…Answer:

Its important as it’s a Hujjah/Refutation, against any/all Pseudo-Ash`arīs whom pontificate to have “Correct-Creed”: those whom claim to ascribe to Ash`arism yet literally reject the Deathbed-Tawbah of `Alī ibn-Ismā`īl ibn-Ishāq (AKA Abul-Hasan al-Ash`arī). Conveniently, there’s Countless-Ash`arīs whom audaciously/arrogantly reject the Deathbed-Tawbah of Abil-Hasan al-Ash`arī: the Irony of course being that one of the Persons whom recorded & transmitted the Deathbed-Tawbah of Abil-Hasan al-Ash`arī was al-Bayhaqī…an Ash`arī themselves. And, there’s none whom dares to pontificate/claim that al-Bayhaqī is a “Liar”, a “Dishonest-Person”, “Unreliable”, etc.

Gareth Bryant’s Hujjah/Refutation against the “Imāms-Roundtable”

What does it mean to “reject” the Deathbed-Tawbah of Abil-Hasan al-Ash`arī?!!!

There’s an Important-Sabab/Reason how/why there’s Countless-Ash`arīs and/or Ash`arī-Pretenders would dare reject the Deathbed-Tawbah of Abil-Hasan al-Ash`arī…it’s because it directly debunks any/all their Pseudo-Justifications to impose Unjust-Takfīr against Fellow-Muslims whom’re Non-Ash`arīs. These-Persons can’t stand it, if/when the Deathbed-Tawbah of Abil-Hasan al-Ash`arī is brought-up. The Deathbed-Tawbah of Abil-Hasan al-Ash`arī literally knocks the Winds rite outta the Sails of their FisherPrice Ash`arī-Boats.

The Haqqover/Super-Hizbī: Debunking the Pseudo-Justifications for Takfīr-Culture

How does any “Ash`arī Talking-Point” promote “Unjust-Takfīr”?!!!

Good-Question…

…Answer:

It’s literally within the Statement/Slogan, “Allah doesn’t exist in a Place.” itself.

Well…what’s “Wrong” with the Statement itself?!!!

The Statement itself is 💯%-Truth/Honesty. Yet, at the Same-Time, no Muslim ever believes the Opposite of That-Statement anyway.

What does that mean?!!!

Good-Question…

…Answer:

Meaning, as per the Average/Regular-Muslim…it’d literally be impossible for any Muslim to ever pontificate/claim that Allah exists via any “Space/Place”. In fact, I can humanly guarantee that no Ash`arī has ever personally known any Average/Regular-Muslim claim that Allah exists in any “Place”. So, for any Ash`arī to scream to the Top of their Lungs (figuratively & literally because I’ve witnessed both via Online & Real-Life) “Allah doesn’t exist in a Place.”: they sound Dumb-As-Fuck addressing this to any Fellow-Muslim. No Average/Regular-Muslim “believes” that Allah is: “confined”, or “limited”, or “subjected”, or “constricted”, or “restricted”, or “exclusive” to any “Space”, “Place”, “Location”, “Duration”, “Station”, Direction, etc.

at-Tafwīdh/Neutrality vs. at-Ta’wīl/Interpretation concerning the Sifāt/Qualities-Of-Allah

Well…how/why would/should any Ash`arī ever think/feel they “need” to constantly/consistently recycle the “Allah doesn’t exist in a Place.?!!!

Good-Question…

…Answer:

Ash`arīs (more accurately/honestly these Ash`arī-Wannabes) exclusively aim to claim that Muslims whom’re Non-Ash`arīs commit ash-Shirk/Association.

Ignorance + Apathy is both a Poison & Venom

What’s ash-Shirk mean?!!!

Good-Question…

…Answer:

ash-Shirk is literally the Polar-Opposite of at-Tawhīd/Islāmic-Monotheism. ash-Shirk is to pontificate/claim anything about Allah which isn’t directly predicated upon at-Tanzīl/Revelation. In Other-Words slandering Allah.

(Noble-Qur’ān: Chpt.1; Chpt.18, V.1-6; Chpt.109; Chpt.112)

The “Space/Place” Argument

There’s Countless Nuzūl/Revelatory-Texts which proves that no Average/Regular-Muslim believes that Allah exists via any “Space/Place”.

Amthāl/Examples of what I mean are the Following-Nuzūl

Allah literally describes themselves as:

“God-In-Heaven” & “God-In-Earth”

Now, the Word “In” much
like the Word “في”:

It doesn’t mean “Within the Heavens”, nor “Within the Earth”…

…via Asbāb-in-Nuzūl/Revelatory-Context:

“في” means “على”/”In” means “Above”

Ironically, it’s literally no different
than/from when Allah states:

“That-Book is Guidance for the Pious, because there’s 0-Doubt within it.”…As per Asbāb-in-Nuzūl:

“ذلك” actually means “هذا”

“That” actually means “This”

Even as far as how Allah describes Themselves existing above everything else which exists:

Al-`Alī/The Ultimately-Above

Al-Muta`āl/The Ultimately-Exalted

Al-A`lā/The Most-High

(Each of these are amongst
the Asmā’/Names-Of-Allah)

In fact, “Above” is ironically a “Direction”. It’s literally in one of the Names of Allah I’ve aforementioned. And, of course, we know this, because Muhammad (Peace be upon them had once asked a Slave: “Where’s Allah?”. The Slave pointed Upwards, towards the Sky, saying: “Above/في the Samā’/Sky.” Muhammad then replied: “Free them, for verily they’re a Believer.”.

Muhammad (Peace be upon them) mentioned that Allah descends to Samā’-id-Dunyā (the Sky of the Mundane: the Lowest-Heaven). Now, to be just/fair, no Muslim claims to know how Allah commits such an Action: the Kayfiyyah/Howness of such an Action is exclusively known to Allah. However, it’s a Divine-Action nevertheless. “Lowest” is a Direction, “Lowest-Heaven” is a Direction, etc. So, even this proves that no Muslim claims that Allah is “Directionally-Restricted”.

(Noble-Qur’ān: Chpt.2, V.2; Chpt.43, V.78-89; at-Tabarī; as-Suyūtī; al-Bukhārī; Muslim; Mālik; Abū-Dāwud; Lisān-ul-`Arab: Lexicon of the Arabic-Language, ibn-Manzhūr)

That’s Absolutely-Horrendous…how/why would any Muslim impose such Slanderous-Allegations, against any Fellow-Muslim, just because they’re Non-Ash`arī?!!!

Good-Question…

…Answer:

Dem Mothafuckas are Evil. They subscribe to what’s known as al-Kharajiyyah/Religio-Extremism. And, ironically the Most-Extreme (Pun-Intended) Sifah/Manifestation of al-Kharajiyyah is Unjust-Takfīr/Takfīr-Culture against Fellow-Muslims. They’re precisely how/why Muhammad (Peace be upon them) described al-Khawārij/Religio-Extremists as being “Kilāb-un-Nār/Dogs of the Fire”.

(ibn-Mājah)

Now, to be just/fair…Certain-Ash`arīs aren’t the Only-Individuals whom impose Unjust-Takfīr. I’ve personally witnessed Persons via Other-Ahzāb (Religio-Cliques, Religio-Teams, Religio-Gangs, Religio-Mafias, etc.) amongst Muslims do the Same-Thing. And, truthfully/honestly, I’ve written more Articles against those Other-Ahzāb than I’ve ever written against Team-Ash`arī.

Romance of the 3-`Aqīdahs

Is Unjust-Takfīr/Takfīr-Culture the Only-Sifah of al-Khārajiyyah?!!!

Good-Question…

…Answer:

No…there’s Varied-Sifāt which constitute al-Kharajiyyah.

Are only Ash`arīs or Ash`arī-Wannabes al-Khawārij?!!!

Good-Question…

…Answer:

al-Kharajiyyah never has, nor will it ever will be Sectariancentric. Meaning, no Exclusive-Hizb/Sect alone are al-Khawārij. Realistically, any Muslim via any Hizb could be a Khārijī/Religio-Extremist…even Muslims whom’re Non-Hizbī/Sectarian could be al-Khawārij. And, that’s because al-Kharajiyyah has nothing to do with al-Hizbiyyah/Religio-Sectarianism exclusively, rather it has everything to do with al-Khuluq/al-Adab (Character/Behavior). Not only are there Ash`arī-Khawārij, there’s: Atharī-Khawārij, Māturīdī-Khawārij, Qadarī-Khawārij, Jabarī-Khawārij, Mu`tazilī-Khawārij, Sūfī-Khawārij, Shī`ī-Khawārij, Salafī-Khawārij, Ikhwānī-Khawārij, Hanafī-Khawārij, Mālikī-Khawārij, Ja`farī-Khawārij, Hanbalī-Khawārij, Shāfi`ī-Khawārij, Zaydī-Khawārij, Ibādhī-Khawārij, Zhāhirī-Khawārij, Deobandi-Khawārij, Brewlewi-Khawārij, etc. and so on.

Examining al-Khārijiyyah/Religio-Extremism via Mafia/Gang-Culture amongst Muslims historically & contemporaneously

So, how do/can we move on/forward from here?!!!

Well…I personally can’t speak for Others. However, for myself exclusively-I’ve literally made it Part of my Life’s-Work, to constantly/consistently strive against 3-Things which painfully plague the Muslims:

1. al-`asabiyyah/Xenophobia

2. al-Hizbiyyah/Religio-Sectarianism

3. al-Kharajiyyah/Religio-Extremism

The Tahkam/Irony is that All-3 are perpetually interconnected with one another & intersectional of each other.

I’ll give a Mathl of what I mean. Muslim-Arabs during World-War I used All-3 of These-Things, as Pseudo-Justifications to directly assist Non-Muslims fight against al-Khilāfah/Islāmic-Governance (via the Ottoman-Empire), during the Entirety of World-War I. This, of course, directly led to the Inception/Invention of Israel which all Muslim-Arabs have the Audacity to Bitch&Moan about.

Islāmophobia via the Ugliness of Muslim-Politics

Speaking against & writing about the Ugliness of these Muslim-On-Muslim Atrocities: it’s become a Major-Staple of my Religio-Academic Research, moreover of my Religio-Activism.

Gareth Bryant



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  3. The “Athari Corleone” Bayān/Clarification-Statement
    In this Muqadimah/Introduction-Preface, I am actually addressing your Pseudo-Socio-Geo-Politico-Goon-Fantasy via/through this Risālah/Treatise-Expose. You literally just proved my point. Actually, you literally just said a whole-lot-of-Abāṭīl/Falsehood-Nonsense. What is actually your point? You are literally moving via/through a Mafioso-Theologico-Street-Thug-Discourse while being External-To/Outside of actual ‘Aql/Intellect-Reason and literally drowning in your own Hawā/Whims-Desires.
    I am actually observing your Athari-Corleone-Persona and it is literally actually just a glitching-robot-loop of Bāṭil/Vanity-Voidness. Why are you literally so obsessed with this Radd/Refutation-Take-Out and this Taḥdhīr/Warning-Censure while being so External-To/Outside of actual Murū’ah/Manliness-Chivalry? You literally just played yourself. You are actually out here role-playing a Mob-Boss-Theologian and literally calling people Hoe-Ass-Punks and Hoe-Ass-Niggas while actually pretending to possess a refined Rūḥ/Spirit-Soul.
    What is actually your point? You literally just confirmed my thesis via/through your own Fitnah/Discord-Based-Responses. You actually have no point. Every time someone actually calls you out on your Bio-Socio-Theologico-Polemical-Nonsense, you literally have a total Jahl/Ignorance-Meltdown. You actually misuse the Āyah/Verse-Command to speak uprightly and the Ḥadīth/Prophetic-Tradition to tell the truth as an actual justification for literally translating sacred texts into obscene street slang and cursing people out in your Sophomoric-Hashtags.
    You actually brag about your ‘Ilm/Knowledge-Learning while literally obsessing over what everyone else does. What do you actually care if the rest of us have Muslim names or like to wear thobes? You actually spend all your time gatekeeping other people’s lives while literally ignoring your own. You actually accuse anyone who challenges your Socio-Theologico-Mafioso-Frame of Ẓulm/Oppression-Wrongdoing, which is actually literally Literal-Garbage. You literally have no Maqṣūd/Point-Intent. You are literally a grown man. It is literally actually time to leave the Digital-Cinema/Imaginary-Trenches, put down the Ṣifāt/Attributes-Slashes, and literally actually just grow up already.
    #ViaTheReality #ExternalToTheGodfatherFantasy #LiterallyNoPoint #ActuallyNoPoint #LiterallyActuallyNothing #SocioPoliticoNonsense #GrowUpAlready #AqlOverHawa #AthariCorleoneIsActuallyLiterallyNothing #LiterallySlanderWhining #ActuallyNoAql #LiterallyActuallyDone #MisusingTheText #HashtagHaramSlang
    The Reality Check
    See, Gareth? Other people can do it too. It is not really impressive, and it is time to just act your age and become an adult already. You have been acting up like this for a decade and a half or more, and the routine is tired. You are old enough to be somebody’s grandpa by now. Stop worrying about our thobes and our names and just live your life

    1. #HypocriticalIrony

      You can’t “refute” anything I wrote.

    2. You literally can’t “refute” anything I wrote.

    3. There’s nothing I’ve written
      that you can “refute”.

    4. You can’t disprove anything I wrote: Bozo.

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